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Chat Log
[FIRST 8 MINUTES OF CHAT MISSING, APOLOGIES]
11:08 dgCINEMA: QUESTION How do you fight the members of congress who want
to keep human spaceflight dollars in their state (Alabama, Florida etc)
11:08 mschneeg: no stores in space
11:08 scullyjones: True, until the moon installs an ATM
11:09 baneofborg: we are losing the moon program
11:09 caropot: QUESTION: Can space tourism helps in funding?
11:09 jajboeglin: Yes Pres ended Constellation
11:09 baneofborg: is that a good thing?
11:09 baneofborg: ending constellation program?
11:10 jajboeglin: maybe?
11:10 jajboeglin: all commercial now
11:10 baneofborg: why would private industry invest in deep space exploration
for the short term?
11:10 compassrose: QUESTION: Why not push space exploration, manned
or robotic, as a job creation strategy? This would also require a focused
commitment on better/higher education.
11:10 Archivist01: Only a handful of commercial spaceflight organizations
at Spaceport America are really capable of sustained spaceflight. And one
that I know of can handle human spaceflight.
11:11 Archivist01: Some companies are even struggling with suborbital
flights. What makes Obama think that they are prepared to take on this responsibility?
11:11 SpaceOtter: QUESTION: Constellation failed due to engineering
unfeasability or lack of funding? Failure of NASA or Congress?
11:11 cblackme: QUESTION couldn't the excape system being prepaired
for Orion be just transfered to spacexinstead of having them develop it?
11:11 baneofborg: sounds like congress, i thought the program wsa on
the right track
11:11 bigjim18: QUESTION: wouldn't the Ares-I/Orion be the best way
to have the shortest the gap in manned launch capability for the US? Undefined
commericial ventures seem risky in both cost and schedule.
11:11 jajboeglin: I'm just gonna watch
11:12 baneofborg: i agree bigjim
11:12 dgCINEMA: QUESTION - Is there a chance that ISS could be used
for testing deep space technologies, for example tools for digging into small
asteroids
11:12 Zume: As I can see from the NASA missions, there are various
very interesting programs,highly knowledgable findings and new information,
What additional information will be useful for manned programs?
engstudent is going to do what jajboeglin is doing
11:12 SpaceOtter: Delays due to funding i suspect
11:12 jajboeglin: Commercial can have something by 2013
11:12 elakdawalla: Reminder to all: Please preface any questions you
want answered by Lou and Bill with QUESTION:
11:12 baneofborg: so gove was to blame for constellation
11:12 butchwhitmon: I Think the new budget is the correct way to go.
11:12 baneofborg: i am not sure by 2013?
11:13 jajboeglin: Charles Bolden claeims so
11:13 elakdawalla: Hey, there's 165 people watching now, cool
11:13 dgCINEMA: QUESTION - Who are the main political opponents of
the Obama plan?
11:13 Archivist01: The Augustine Report is dictating the changed agenda.
11:13 jajboeglin: true
11:14 engstudent: I thought the president did with the advice of the
Aug.report
11:14 jajboeglin: yes
11:14 Zume: We have so much NEW knowledge from the unmanned programs
like the Cassini, was it at all possible to plan a manned program? Such kind
of manned program
11:15 mschneeg: my interests are special
11:15 travelinbrian: QUESTION: Any guesses as to when new propulsion
methods (like VASIMIR) will be ready for crew-rated spacecraft?
11:15 SpaceOtter: QUESTION: Do you think the "Space Act" bill will
have a chance? (STS extension to 2015)?
11:15 Zume: Q : Are those ahead of thier time ?
11:15 Archivist01: QUESTION: Does international collaboration sometimes
violate ITAR and national security? And even if it does not, geopolitics
are in play are they not?
11:15 jajboeglin: QUESTION: Will Commercial Industry strive for the
Moon as well?
11:16 baneofborg: I think this new plan will but the US behind
11:16 gastroegoista: QUESTION to Lou: propulsion developments. Nuclear
propulsion also for manned missions?
11:16 SpaceOtter: Lunar X-Prise is for robotic, jajboeglin. Not sure
about HSF goals yet.
[STRANGE TEMPORAL WARP HERE, DUNNO WHY]
11:12 jajboeglin: QUESTION: Will Commercial Industry strive for Human Space
flight to the Moon
11:12 Zume: IS NASA heading towards a "Scientifically Organized Industry
for Profit" or still going to be a public entity?
11:13 KStu: Reminder - please put the word QUESTION before a question.
Thanks :-)
11:13 Archivist01: He is talking about STEM FUNDING
11:13 dgCINEMA: QUESTION Do you think international cooperation will
play a larger role in future exploration, or will nations compete with each
other?
11:13 zeikhan: QUESTION: given new plan does not focus on a destination,
doesn't it carry risk of not achieving anything by trying to work on many
different areas rather than a focus effort to say get to Mars?
11:13 mschneeg: decades of anti-intellectualism
11:14 Zume: Question: Is NASA heading towards a profit making scientifically
organized industry ?
11:14 baneofborg: QUESTION: Was not a lunar base the first step to
Mars?
11:14 jajboeglin: QUESTION: Will Commercial Industry strive for HSF
to Moon & Mars
11:19 jajboeglin: QUESTION: Will Commercial Industry strive for HSF
to Moon & Mars
11:20 Archivist01: QUESTION: Why is NASA not focused on R&D and working "think
tank" things. They have one Nobel Prize winner and that is it. Why can't
they be the Bell Labs or GM of yesteryear?
11:21 dgCINEMA: QUESTION - The DSN seems to be reaching its capacity.
Are there plans for a NASA and/or international communication system for
robotic missions?
11:21 vumdbmaker: QUESTION - Would it be easier to launch larger vehicles
from the moon (1/6th G)? If so, should we consider a rocket building assembly
process on the moon with moonbase stations?
11:21 butchwhitmon: Good Point/Question Archivist01
11:21 jajboeglin: QUESTION: Will Commercial Industry strive for HSF
to Moon & Mars
11:21 ehabibee: What is the name of Lous partner please
11:21 elakdawalla: That's Bill Nye the Science Guy
11:21 elakdawalla: Our Vice President
11:22 jajboeglin: QUESTION: Will Commercial Industry strive for HSF
to Moon & Mars
11:22 Zume: Question: Are the manned programs so important at this
time? NASA can emphasize the research more ?
11:22 ehabibee: Thanks
11:22 scullyjones: Bill Bill Bill Bill.... Now I've got the theme song
stuck in my head
11:22 baneofborg: former CEO of lockeed martin headed the study that
pushes this?
11:22 dgCINEMA: Question - Can you describe how you advocate using
the extra science dollars for robotic exploration?
11:22 baneofborg: does anyone see something wrong with that?
11:22 Archivist01: All the phycisists are at CERN.... Why isn't NASA
able to draw people like this?
11:22 jajboeglin: QUESTION: Will Commercial Industry strive for HSF
to Moon & Mars
11:22 cblackme: QUESTION: with the talk of fuel depots how about one
at the L1 point to service near astroid missions, let another country do
the lumar lander to work from there. we should be able to get a crew spot
11:23 vumdbmaker: QUESTION - Would it be possible to create little
long-running units like gps units only they would be sps (solar positions),
that we could use to tag the NEOs that we could moniter NEO locations?
11:23 dgCINEMA: QUESTION - Will NASA be involved in research for beaming
solar power down to Earth or is this strictly DOE?
11:23 SpiritofMars: QUESTION: Why can't private industry pick up the
Constellation Program?
11:23 jajboeglin: QUESTION: Will Commercial Industry strive for HSF
to Moon & Mars
11:23 baneofborg: good question spirtiofmars
11:23 rlicht: Question: why go to a planet when we can make a home
in space with space cities, to get of this rock. And see the ISS as the natural
precursor, to make it a usefull investment
11:23 jajboeglin: And Spirit ofs Question
11:24 jajboeglin: QUESTION: Will Commercial Industry strive for HSF
to Moon & Mars
11:24 dgCINEMA: QUESTION - Is there any money in the new NASA Plan
for dealing with space junk?
11:24 KStu: Please only ask your question once, everyone. Repeating
it doesn;t mean it's more likely to be asked, ok?
11:24 djellison: QUESTION: All Paths, however flexible, start and end
somewhere. At what point should we be defining the medium/long term destinations
of this new flexible path strategy for NASA.
11:24 travelinbrian: lol, I was about to say something like that
11:25 vumdbmaker: If NASA were engage a program to save Earth from
NEOs, since this is a global concern, could NASA use that as a way to collect
funding from all Nations, again since it is a global concern?
11:25 Archivist01: Well, ITAR often today used as reason to say US
taxpayers to develope these ideas, so sharing is not permitted in many cases
with publications for example
11:25 ehabibee: From Ed H...ITAR was born of a political objective
and we just can't get rid of it try as we might.
11:25 engstudent: QUESTION :: Is it better for NASA to develope capabilities
and catalyze the industries growth rather than concentrate on destinations?
11:25 ajsinco: (re: SPS question -- cute idea, but I don't think we
need it... with telescopes/radar and orbital mechanics, we can nail NEO or
other solar orbiting body positions about as well)
11:26 SpaceOtter: QUESTION: We got to the moon because Apollo was a
defense project. What will be the economic driver to fund Private Industry
for similar large endevors?
11:26 engstudent: QUESTION :: Is it better for NASA to develope capabilities
and catalyze the industries growth rather than concentrate on destinations?
11:26 Zume: Question: Can NASA emphasize more into the research of
Climates and study of the Earth more to see if it is more livable than MARS
will be in 1000 years after Terraforming?
11:26 VAXHeadroom: Question: Given our EELV can launch 50Klbs to LEO
why can't we use these existing systems and do in-space construction of the
large systems necessary for human exploration of the solar system?
11:26 vumdbmaker: QUESTION - e engage a program to save Earth from
NEOs, since this is a global concern, could NASA use that as a way to collect
funding from all Nations, again since it is a global concern?
11:26 Grant_Hovey: We can travel to the moon using on board refuling
11:26 elakdawalla: Hi VAXHeadroom!
11:27 gmyershere: Question: Do you expect the Chinese to get ahead
of the US in manned space exploration, or is there a way to get them to cooperate
with us on this proposed plan.
VAXHeadroom waves
11:27 SpaceOtter: Nobody spends large $$ for "exploration"
11:27 jajboeglin: QUESTION: Will Commercial Industry strive for HSF
to Moon & Mars
11:27 engstudent: QUESTION :: Is it better for NASA to develope capabilities
and catalyze the industries growth rather than concentrate on destinations?
11:27 KStu: Everyone, please write QUESTION like that, in UPPER CASE;
it'll draw attention to your question, ok?
11:27 elakdawalla: Makes it easier to ignore the chat
11:27 jajboeglin: THANK YOU
11:28 SpaceOtter: Not HSF mission tho for Lunar X-Prize
11:28 jajboeglin: this google X prize
11:28 engstudent: QUESTION :: Is it better for NASA to develope capabilities
and catalyze the commercial growth rather than concentrate on destinations?
11:29 vumdbmaker: QUESTION - If NASA were to engage a program to save
Earth from NEOs, since this is a global concern, could NASA use that as a
way to collect funding from all Nations, since it's a global concern?
11:29 scullyjones: oh that camera idea would be fantastic
11:29 sschoichet: Where does the PlanetSoc stand on seeking commercial
exploitatin of asteroid resources as an overarching goal for national space
infrastructure invvestment?
11:29 jajboeglin: so would the Mic on Mars
11:29 scullyjones: Can you imagine? Being able to gaze on our globe,
live? Like a webcam?
11:29 failedprotostar: yeah love the camera on the Moon idea
11:30 ajsinco: Camera idea -- yeah, more generally what we need is
a way to commercialize space in the short-term without depending on governments,
such as by "free" participation with commercial ads/sponsorship.
11:30 elakdawalla: Meanwhile, Stardust just successfully completed
an orbit correction burn to line it up for Tempel 1 encounter, woo hoo
11:30 scullyjones: woohooo Stardust
11:30 RVBauer-1: "Lunar timeshare", where you rent time on independant
rovers, and do you own exploration. Open it up to anyone that can pay for
some time.
11:31 elakdawalla: It would be SO COOL to be able to joystick a rover
on the Moon.
11:31 Grant_Hovey: ASTRONAUTS ON MARS WILL SPEND 18 MONTHS THERE, AND
WILL NEED TO DEVELOPE THEIR OWN RESOURCES. WHY IS A LUNAR BASE NOT THE BEST
PLACE TO LEARN HOW TO DO BE SELF SUSTAINING?
11:31 scullyjones: Oh yeah!
11:31 scullyjones: Grant, no all-caps, please
11:31 spacelib: The Planetary Society has taken a strong position on
planetary defense regarding asteroid and comet impacts. Check out the latest
issue of the Planetary Report on their web site.
11:31 jajboeglin: QUESTION: How much would PLanet Soc back Com Ind
HSF
11:31 sschoichet: QUESTION: What is PlanetSoc's position on getting
the best value from the ISS, now that it's finally (almost) in full operation?
11:31 Zume: Or have the NFL playoffs there?
11:31 SpaceOtter: QUESTION: We got to the moon because Apollo was a
defense project. What will be the economic driver to fund Private Industry
for similar large endevors?
11:32 butchwhitmon: QUESTION: Isn't it important to keep NASA funded
with taxes in order to keep it open to all in regards to data and photos?
11:32 badd53: space tourism will be huge
11:33 ajsinco: Another useful model/metaphor in wide use today is "give
away the low-end product to entice a subset of subscribers to buy the higher-end
products." Any notions on how to apply to space exploration?
11:33 jajboeglin: QUESTION: Would the Plaentary Society fully back
Commercial HSF
11:34 vumdbmaker: QUESTION - One big problem with the moonbase station
is power. If one has ideas how can we submit them to NASA?
11:34 Archivist01: QUESTION: Is the new direction for NASA funds being
more directed to military functions as opposed to civilian functions?
11:34 ehabibee: To SpaceOtter. Where did u get the idea that Apollo
was a defense project. I was on it at the beginning at Langly. Manned flight
was a part of Goddard at the beginning.
11:34 sschoichet: COMMENT: "The next destination for humans in space
is Mars" is totally wrong! Robotic explorers are doing fine ... humans
to the asteroids for commercial results is a much more exciting and valuable
11:34 badd53: QUESTION: Why push to get to an asteroid when we have
pieces of them all over the place on Earth?
11:34 VAXHeadroom: QUESTION: what kind of rocket technology do we need
to get to Mars? VASIMR / Ion / Solid Core Nuclear(KIWI) ?
11:35 SpaceOtter: If not defense, why did we do it?
11:35 ajsinco: Agreed about asteroids versus planets... We need places
easy and exciting to go that have shorter-term purposes too.
11:35 Zume: QUESTIONS: Is NASA interested to pursue in future to import
the Hydrocarbons, Methane etc after MARS is out of their minerals?
11:35 elakdawalla: @badd53 I can address that one. Getting a human
to an asteroid has less to do with science and more to do with the problem
of how to deal with an incoming impactor when we discover one.
11:35 butchwhitmon: QUESTION: Should not Enceladus be elevated in importance
for future robotics due to the promise that their is definitely an large
ocean under the ice?
11:35 SpiritofMars: COMMENT: IMO Mars would be the "first" next
destination.
11:35 badd53: thank you
11:36 sschoichet: Absolutely ... dealing with incoming impactors is
an element of focusing on reaching and manipulating asteroids!
11:36 Archivist01: Many insitutions have 20-30 Nobel Laureates
11:36 elakdawalla: @butchwhitmon Do you mean Europa, or did you really
mean Enceladus?
11:36 dgCINEMA: QUESTION - What will be done to strengthen smaller
NASA centers that have been struggling (Ames, Glenn etc)
11:36 jajboeglin: 1/6th Moon grav means 1/6th fuel to Mars
11:36 Gagarins: QUESTION: Why don´t promote the money aspect for space
investors - invest in space and be heavenly rich! Most of us humans love
to be rich.
11:36 ehabibee: Ed H... Kennedy made it a part of his goal and we were
already going there with Mercury etc.
11:37 scullyjones: I wish I could stay longer, I am really interested
in this discussion, but I have lecture to attend. Keep asking the great questions,
astrogeeks!
11:37 ajsinco: Zero asteroid grav means even easier to Mars, and more
likely to offer volatiles (food/fuel) too.
11:37 elakdawalla: Thanks for participating, @scullyjones!
11:37 Archivist01: Much of the R&D is outsourced
[SMALL TEMPORAL GAP HERE]
11:38 jajboeglin: Make fuel ON THE MOON
11:38 jajboeglin: Hydrogen AND oxygen are there
11:38 Zume: And have a refueling station there.
11:38 RVBauer-1: Sorry, but re-inventing the wheel by "new" engineers
is just plain stupid. You need to get the new engineers working WITH the
older ones in order to pass on the information.
11:38 poikiloblastic: I'm down with that, jaj
11:39 Gilgamesh444: QUESTION: One major obstacle to a manned Mars mission
is the return trip can we consider a well supplied one way mission, do we
have the courage?
11:39 spacelib: COMMENT The Moon has resources that can be used to
lierally fuel our way to Mars. The ability to refuel spacecraft atthe space
equivalent of a gas station would keep costs down.
11:39 jajboeglin: tlak about multi taskin'
11:39 dgCINEMA: QUESTION - Would it be feasible to collect old satellites
in Earth orbit and reuse/recycle their materials? You could have an "orbiting
salvage yard" that would have stocks of aluminum etc.
11:39 jajboeglin: Human Space Flight
11:40 jajboeglin: Thank You
11:40 ehabibee: Hey RVBouer this is Ed Habib. We think alike. Keep
it up
11:40 jajboeglin: Just Astrogeek anyway
11:40 poikiloblastic: Gilgamesh: Barbara Cohen says "NASA isn't in the
business of sending humans to places where we can't bring them home safely."
11:40 spacelib: COMMENT On recycling just note you want to get the
stuff out of orbit first.
11:40 georgejmyersjr: QUESTION: Is the new NASA budget really a great
leap or just the difference between the use of solar and nuclear to power
space exploration?
11:40 ajsinco: Orbital salvage yard -- I'm dubious, too much delta-V
(expensive rocket fuel) needed to gather the materials.
11:41 rlicht: Question: what is the Planetary society advocating as
new propulsion systems for interplanetary travel?
11:41 compassrose-1: Good idea, dgCinema!
11:41 ajsinco: Now if you could slowly/safely divert a volatile + metal-rich
asteroid into HEO, then you'd have an ROI.
11:41 jajboeglin: like that ajsin
11:41 Zume: QUESTION: Has the Astronauts safety been resolved successfully?
11:41 skizior: Original space programs was fueled by competition with
the Russians
11:42 spacelib: Just watch out for the high orbit satellites!
11:42 ajsinco: Problem is, all these great ideas, way out there, and
we are the "choir" -- how do we motivate the masses to really care?
11:42 elakdawalla: That's a really good question, ajsinco
11:42 jajboeglin: Money
11:42 ajsinco: I want to see people writing to their congresscritters
saying, "please spend 2% of my tax dollars on space exploration."
11:43 travelinbrian: ajsinco: tell them the Chinese are going to do
it if we don't, lol
11:43 elakdawalla: Me too!
11:43 jajboeglin: Money Money Money ABBA
VAXHeadroom seconds the 'motiviate' question
11:43 spacelib: The Moon may not be the best settlement site but for
manufacturing it could be a winner
11:43 ajsinco: People respond to external threats -- yes, other countries,
or a plausible NEO impactor.
11:43 jajboeglin: RIGHT TRAVELINBRAIN
11:43 poikiloblastic: "wow factor" pretty important for public
image
11:43 Zume: Private sector is run by profits.
11:43 ajsinco: But for some reason while people are willing to pay
alot for entertainment, that doesn't work for space.
11:43 SpaceOtter: QUESTION: Re Nye's "Nozel" comment. With Private
industry holding patents for rocket technology, will this hinder the indstury
as a whole?
11:43 elakdawalla: wow factor only gets you so far though
11:43 jajboeglin: Right Zume Money
11:44 ajsinco: People dismiss the cool "downstream" from NASA,
partially because it's free. SIgh.
11:44 Hightechtom: Sorry-late joiner-did they discuss ARES program?
11:44 jajboeglin: past and still
11:44 KStu: Discussion ongoing. Feel free to ask a question re ARES
if you have one.
11:44 KStu: just write QUESTION before your question.
11:45 dgCINEMA: yes, they said that the ARES design wasn't going well
and it wouldn't have decreased the no HSF gap after shuttle
11:45 skizior: Sci Fi excited many of the original players to become
scientists
11:45 SpaceOtter: QUESTION: What do you think about the "Space Act" bill
proposing to extend Shuttle use until 2015?
11:45 sschoichet: QUESTION: Why isn't the asteroid belt a better, more
valuable, more interesting destination for humans in space, than a dusty
rock at the bottom of a huge gravity well that can be explored well from
o
11:46 phenders: Question: Doesn't a "heavy lift" rocket lead to
high risk missions as compared to assembly on orbit from multiple pieces
launched separately?
11:46 jajboeglin: Crew wake call for STS130 1 hr away
11:46 elakdawalla: @sschoichet One problem I see with asteroids is
how far away most of them are. If you change "asteroid belt" to "NEOs" then
you have less of a problem.
11:46 jajboeglin: aks SSCH Q
11:47 vumdbmaker: QUESTION - Could Titan be used as a commercial refilling
station for spacecraft in the future?
11:47 jajboeglin: ask SSCH Q sorry
11:47 elakdawalla: (Long distance means long flight time for astronauts,
which is problematic.)
11:47 Archivist01: COMMENT to spacelib: Major obstacle to Mars is Human
Factors.
11:47 sschoichet: NEOs as a steppingstone to asteroid belt makes total
sense.
11:48 compassrose-1: QUESTION: Can older vehicle concepts be used,
like an updated version of the Saturn, rather than creating a whole new class
of vehicles like ARES?
11:48 elakdawalla: NEOs are asteroids, and they're the ones we're most
interested in from a planetary protection and also resource utilization standpoint.
11:48 SpaceOtter: The new WISE telescope is great for finding NEOs.
They already found at least 3. Plus new budget gives increased funding for
NEOs
11:48 vumdbmaker: so do I
11:48 elakdawalla: @SpaceOtter times are about to get interesting with
new ground-based surveys coming online, which should find close objects MUCH
more frequently.
11:49 Archivist01: QUESTION: Is Planetary Society working on Human
Factors reserach with academia ?
11:49 elakdawalla: That's a public communications opportunity, i think.
11:49 SpaceOtter: yup ^^
11:49 georgejmyersjr: Apollo: Lunar Excursion Module L.E.M. Ares (orginally
god of agriculture) Mars Excursion Module M.E.M.?
11:49 ajsinco: Check out Mars Society -- FMARS, MDRS, etc.
11:49 unusualbob: lol nye has a copy on hand!
11:49 Zume: QUESTION: Are there projects that NASA might consider more
important for investment other than the manned program to MARS? There are
expensive minerals there but is that the motivation?
11:49 SpaceOtter: WISE is good with its whole sky survey to help new
efforts
11:50 jajboeglin: yeah pirates Zume
11:50 jajboeglin: reap and pilage
11:50 ajsinco: Oh, I mentioned Mars Society with respect to human factors
for space/Mars exploration. If you don't know, they've been running "sims" a
long time.
11:50 hellotitan: hello
11:50 irogerh: QUESTION - Is it likely that another country will return
to the moon before us? To our own funding advantage?
11:50 butchwhitmon: COMMENT: Due respect, but please ask bill to stop
walking on/interupting Lou.
11:51 Zume: exactly. WISE has done wonders, as far as I am concerned.
Also Cassini has shown what an Unmanned little spacecraft working perfectly
can do. Unveil the mysteries.
11:51 Archivist01: Comment: Professional Astronomers would like to
see manned funding end, more $$ for them.
11:51 SpaceOtter: Luv Cassini =)
11:51 hellotitan: QUESTION - What are our top thre most strategic international
partners?
11:51 hellotitan: three*
11:51 butchwhitmon: At least wait till Lou finishes his idea/point.!!
11:51 vumdbmaker: QUESTION - Could NEOs be commercially mined out of
existence?
11:52 sschoichet: QUESTION: Whatever happened to Mission to Earth as
an organizing principle for getting the best value out of the ISS?
11:52 elakdawalla: @vumdbmaker not for a long LONG LOOOOOOOOONG time.
11:52 Archivist01: hellotitan: North Korea, China, and Iraq - NOT!
11:52 Zume: What is NEO?
11:52 ajsinco: NEOs mined out of existence? Now THERE would be a great
problem to worry about! :-)
11:52 dgCINEMA: QUESTION - will this program be archived afterwards?
11:52 elakdawalla: Sorry, NEO = Near Earth Object
11:52 SpiritofMars: Near Earth Objects, Zume
11:52 compassrose-1: Near Earth Object
11:52 SpaceOtter: Yay Neil
11:52 hellotitan: hey emily! (<<--- British fan)
11:52 elakdawalla: It covers both asteroids and comets that pass close
(within 0.1 AU) of Earth's orbit
11:53 Zume: You mean Astroids?
11:53 jajboeglin: Neo is that guy on Matrix
11:53 KStu: Hey hellotitan, nice to see another Brit in here!
11:53 ajsinco: NEOs are earth impactor risks, but also easiest (delta-V
= rocket fuel) to reach, especially if you don't have to rush there and back.
11:53 hellotitan: Cheers KStu
11:53 elakdawalla: learn more at planetary dot org slash explore slash
topics slash near_earth_objects slash
11:54 SpaceOtter: thanks for asking/answering my q.
11:54 hellotitan: emily you sound like an old fashioned telegram ;)
11:54 ajsinco: Comment about ISS (now being discussed) -- years ago
the saying about the Shuttle was "all dressed up but nowhere to go."
11:54 Zume: That guy on Matrix sounds the right answer.
11:54 elakdawalla: ;) UStream chat eats URLs.
11:54 Lindsaylb: Apologies for just loggin on. So ignor if already
brought up. In my opinin NASA needs to look into high specific impulse propulsion
for any beyond LEO excursions for cargo to support manned missions.
11:54 ajsinco: Now the ISS is nearly complete, but most people are
not very aware of it, or excited about it...
11:54 KStu: *kicks Emily back* : - )
11:54 RVBauer-1: Ah, but private industry COULD send a whole lot of
rovers to the moon as a commercial venture. That could be done fairly quickly
and easily.
11:55 hellotitan: emily, i figured there was a method in your madness*
(*British definition)
11:55 SpaceOtter: will this video be archived and re-playable?
11:55 SpiritofMars: Folks, it's great being here, but I am using my
lunch hour and need to get back to work. Keep our efforts up (and our imagination)
and we will go to the stars!
11:55 jajboeglin: Gosh this is fun
11:55 ajsinco: Runs the risk of being "just another dead end program" like
Apollo or Apollo-Soyuz or Skylab...
11:55 Zume: Looks like this chat is for the manned flight to MARS,
am I right? Getting old losing it
11:55 travelinbrian: RVBaur: if there's not an econimic return on investment,
industry will not do it.
11:55 hellotitan: ajsinco, the problem i have with ISS is it just goes
around and around, so what? If ISS was the answer, what was the question?
11:56 elakdawalla: @SpaceOtter maybe -- this is our first attempt at
this format and hopefully it will have been recorded but we're not totally
confident it will have worked.
11:56 RVBauer-1: Timeshare on rovers. ;)
11:56 ajsinco: Long ago people envisioned something like ISS as a construction/launch
base for deeper missions. Of course it really isn't anything like that. Not
sure it could/should be.
11:56 hellotitan: Zume naaaa, I'm not sold on HSF to anywhere.
11:56 SpaceOtter: thanks elakdawalla
11:56 SpaceOtter: i'd love to be able to link to stuff like this for
peeps who are not online at the time
11:56 jajboeglin: There's plenty of food! We have adistribution problem
11:56 hellotitan: lol @ timeshare on rovers!
11:56 badd53: ISS is a uniqe research lab
11:56 ajsinco: What was the point of ISS? Best I can recall, a major
cooperative goal intended to be a steppingstone...
11:56 VAXHeadroom: don't need gold on the moon - go get the platinum
we know is there...
11:57 butchwhitmon: This format holds great promise...I like it.
11:57 Lindsaylb: Another area that needs to be developed is High specific
power thin film solar cell technology. We need megawatts per tonne to power
high specific impulse craft.
11:57 hellotitan: badd53, ok, and where are the papers? the PhD thesis
that have come out of ISS?
11:57 elakdawalla: @butchwhitmon Glad it's working for you!
11:57 hellotitan: in short - show me the benefit of ISS.
11:57 SpiritofMars: See you all one day - back to work
11:57 DavidMyers: hellotitan the question is how do we unite the peoples
of earth to work together for the protection of our planet and the advancement
of our species through space exploration and discover.
11:57 Lindsaylb: Real valuable assets in space are solar enegy - space
is full of the stuff!
11:58 ajsinco: Yeah -- platinum is very limited on earth compared to
its potential huge uses.
11:58 hellotitan: hi David, ahh now the political benefit of ISS, but
there are probably cheaper ways to stop nations bombing each other ;)
11:58 Archivist01: Q: How much is commercial spaceflight gaining public
approval based on average person going into space and not just NASA astronauts.
Did NASA make an error in strategy by not following Russia's lead?
11:58 Zume: Are we on Earth losing all the minerals that we need to
dig the NEO's?
11:58 hellotitan: Lindsay.. er... it reduces exponentially ;)
11:58 SpaceOtter: What is the extent of influence that the Planetary
Soc. has on space direction.
11:59 butchwhitmon: This is a "first".........obviously it needs
work, but the promist is there.
11:59 VAXHeadroom: there's not enough platinum on earth to build the
fuel cells we need
11:59 Lindsaylb: hello titan - Its good to the main belt!
11:59 hellotitan: Good question SpaceOtter, I know it has more influence
than my UK government ;)
11:59 butchwhitmon: "Promise",,,,,,,
11:59 hellotitan: hence my membership.
11:59 ajsinco: Re: using up minerals needed to explore space -- FYI
see my essay: <URL removed>
11:59 hellotitan: <-- not a US taxpayer, but happy to pay may share for
science
12:00 Zume: We can all go to Titan and live hapily ever afer with all
that ... fuel!
12:00 SpaceOtter: science knows no borders :)
12:00 hellotitan: ajsinco, u have to adopt the telegraph dot slash
approach to URLs ;)
12:00 elakdawalla: @hellotitan that serves as a good reminder for everyone
here to JOIN the Planetary Society, to add your voice to ours
12:00 elakdawalla: go to planetary dot org and click the big join button
12:00 DavidMyers: exactly Spaceotter.
12:00 hellotitan: SpaceOtter, I wish that were true. Religion seems
to be a major boundary :(
12:00 Zume: sure not
12:00 elakdawalla: And to all paid up members here, thank you!!
12:00 ajsinco: Re: URL, I left off the leading http, seems to have
come through OK, and cut/paste to browser should work?
12:01 hellotitan: ajsinco i only saw (URL removed)
12:01 ajsinco: <URL removed> slash HumanitysLaunchWindow.htm
12:01 hellotitan: quick masses, everybody wave a Lou!
12:01 Zume: I am all for the MARS exploration, but later not now .
We need to have more safety.
12:01 butchwhitmon: Wave, Wave
12:01 RVBauer-1: The timeshare idea would let individuals be involved
in exploration, but it would also let corporations or other groups do resource
searches, but not have to pay the whole amount for getting there.
VAXHeadroom waves
12:02 ajsinco: Can you get there? <URL removed> slash HumanitysLaunchWindow.htm
12:02 RVBauer-1: This would let a lot of companies get involved, spreading
out the costs.
12:02 elakdawalla: No, ajsinco, it doesn't work, it eats the URL
12:02 Archivist01: NASA volunteer here... doing outreach ;)
12:02 hellotitan: ex-Astrophysicist here, doing curiosity ;)
12:02 DavidMyers: What are our prospects for a near future space elevator
system of taking suppies and materials into earth orbit?
12:02 KStu: Good on you, Archivist! We need nmore Outreach!
12:02 ajsinco: OK, one more try: silgro dot com slash HumanitysLaunchWindow.htm
12:03 Zume: Those who pay need to get a piece of the benefits too not
just the "apy Now"
12:03 hellotitan: David about zero, but check out the X prize.
12:03 elakdawalla: For those of you "masses" who haven't let us
know yet, I'm curious to know where you're connecting from
12:03 Zume: Pay Now I mean
12:03 hellotitan: emily - London, England.
12:03 ajsinco: How's that? Strange, it doesn'thide the URL when it
posts for me.
12:03 elakdawalla: That works, @ajsinco
12:03 VAXHeadroom: Baltimore MD,USA
12:03 butchwhitmon: Bourbonnais, IL
12:03 pahooji: Also Baltimore here
12:03 petersyoung: Check planetary dot org slash radio - good stuff
12:03 SpaceOtter: Watch Neil deGrasse Tyson for great reasons to support
space sciences. Tons of youtube vids with him.
12:03 hellotitan: ajsiinco it keeps it for YOU but hides it from US.
12:03 djellison: UK
12:03 compassrose-1: San Diego, CA
12:03 RVBauer-1: Pontiac, MI. USA
12:03 hellotitan: I like Americans :), but couldn't eat a whole one
;)
12:03 TomLawrence: Memphis, TN
12:04 hellotitan: grr @ lack of Europeans
12:04 Gagarins: Stockholm, Sweden
12:04 DavidMyers: David Myers long time Planetary Society Member from
Vancouver, Canada.
12:04 SpaceOtter: nom nom hellotitan
12:04 hellotitan: yay @ Sweed
12:04 ajsinco: (Sidebar comment, I'm experienced in user interfaces,
and that's a serious disconnect when you can't even see what you are sending!)
12:04 elakdawalla: Hey, @DavidMyers, enjoying the Olympics?
12:04 irogerh: UK
12:04 Lindsaylb: Phobos and Deimos would make a great start for learning
about asteroids!
12:04 fbgiuffre: Arlington, Mass., USA
12:04 Zume: Livermore, California
12:04 Archivist01: Can I post screenshots of this talk to my Flickr
page with a link to the Planetary Society home page?
12:04 KStu: ANother UK... up in the Lakes.
12:04 elakdawalla: Chuffed at the number of brits here
12:04 jlkretsch: Sterling, VA
12:04 LeslieHoerr: Framingham, MA
12:04 travelinbrian: Tijeras, New Mexico
12:04 elakdawalla: @Archivist01 be our guest!
12:04 hellotitan: nice KStu!
12:05 Archivist01: ty
12:05 ugordan: DIRECT > Ares
12:05 DavidMyers: From my television set -yes. I'm staying out of the
downtown area which is only one and a half miles away.
12:05 spacelib: Carson, California
12:05 hellotitan: emily, i suspect Brits favoUr unmanned spaceflight.
*shrug*
12:05 jajboeglin: hey travelinbrain ...old Carlsbad NM er here
12:05 KStu: Hey ugordan : - )
12:05 ugordan: hey stu :D
12:05 KStu: not ALL Brits, titan :-)
12:05 irogerh: Not me - I want to see a human on Mars!
12:05 travelinbrian: hi jaj -- we're the state building the spaceport.
:)
12:05 hellotitan: <-- stands corrected
12:06 hellotitan: although the pleural of anecdote isn't evidence ;)
12:06 petersyoung: And do not miss planetary dot org slash _img/blog/portrait_20080413.jpg
12:06 Lindsaylb: Is there really a problem for crewed LEO access using
sat a Soyuz launced from the Kenedy Space center with American astronauts?
12:06 radfarpe: Houston, TX
12:06 badd53: Ironwood, MI.
12:06 jajboeglin: thats right T-Brain ..stepmom still in Las Cruces
12:06 Hightechtom: Philadelphia, PA
12:06 hellotitan: he rad, i was in Houston Tx just last month. How's
the snow?
12:06 ugordan: metric system ftw!
12:06 failedprotostar: Metric system! AMEN!
12:07 hellotitan: UK does metric and imperial
12:07 Lindsaylb: A heavy lift launcher is needed for Cargo to 'support'
manned excursions.
12:07 hellotitan: and we survive just fine ;)
12:07 Johnfreeman111: Well i'd like to see a human on mars to, but
I 've seen a lot of manned projects get cancelled, while unmanned exploration
seems to stand a better chance of actually happening!
12:07 hellotitan: but unmanned exploration does MORE for LESS.
12:07 badd53: I was told in 1969 that we were switching to the metric
system inthe US
12:07 hellotitan: and that's it in a nutshell
12:07 elakdawalla: @Johnfreeman15 it's hard to argue with that -- except
that we are now getting to where there aren't many easy unmanned missions
left to do.
12:07 Zume: Metric System is naturally appealing to the human intelligence.
12:08 hellotitan: lol Zume
12:08 Lindsaylb: A separate manned craft needs to be developed for
beyond LEO - one that never reenters the atmosphere.
12:08 Archivist01: I had to learn the metric system in school
12:08 badd53: we were taught it for about 3 months, then that's it!
12:08 failedprotostar: QUESTION: Is the idea of a Mars sample return
dead? Magazine articles in late 90s said we'd have done it by now.
12:08 elakdawalla: The hard ones -- Europa orbiter, Mars sample return
-- do keep getting canceled.
12:08 elakdawalla: Or at least put off.
12:08 travelinbrian: Self-sustaining colony on Mars will end our notion
of "doomsday." Should be goal for end of this century.
12:08 hellotitan: 3 out of 12 months ;)
12:08 hellotitan: <-- draws the line at metric time
12:08 SpaceOtter: Metric system: 1 billion questions = 1 giga-what?
12:08 jajboeglin: you go T-brian
12:08 hellotitan: emily is that because of risk vs cost vs benefit?
12:09 Zume: it is the easiest syatem that has no bound.
12:09 SpaceOtter: 2000 mockingbirds = 2 kilo-mockingbird
12:09 butchwhitmon: I also agree travelinbrian
12:09 hellotitan: Yes SpaceOtter 2Kmb ;)
12:09 butchwhitmon: Even sooner
12:09 elakdawalla: SOOO many thanks to all of you for participating
12:09 ajsinco: Metric system? Tie-in to reality? OK, how about a MPA
(metrics progress administration) jobs program like the WPA? :-)
12:09 SpaceOtter: :)
12:09 elakdawalla: And for asking such good questions
12:09 failedprotostar: Thanks this was excellent!
12:09 compassrose-1: GOOD SHOW!!!!!!
12:09 jajboeglin: Thanks all b by
12:09 SpaceOtter: thanks for holding this elakdawalla !!!!!
12:09 irogerh: Thanks guys
12:10 KStu: and thanks to everyone for being so well-behaved! :-)
12:10 sschoichet: Thank you!
12:10 travelinbrian: This was cool. Let's do this again.
12:10 mstoltz: Very interesting discussion
12:10 LeslieHoerr: Thank you, please do it again often!
12:10 VAXHeadroom: excellent - glad I joined in!
12:10 butchwhitmon: Do this again please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12:10 compassrose-1: Yes, let's do this again!!
12:10 ajsinco: The chat was fun. Who are those guys yakking in the
left half-screen though? Distracting.
12:10 elakdawalla: If you have any comments on today's presentation
please send them to tps at planetary dot org
12:10 hellotitan: emily question - do you consider the recent budget
'shock' a good thing or bad thing net?
12:10 radfarpe: It was great!
12:10 RVBauer-1: :)
12:10 HelikonSound: Thanks for a very interesting discussion. Best
to all.
12:10 Zume: Enjoyed the discussion but mostly educational Thanks.
12:10 Archivist01: <URL removed>
12:10 VAXHeadroom: and now back to spacevidcast :D
12:10 TomLawrence: Good Program. Thanks
12:10 SpaceOtter: Where could we find a link to archive ver of this
show if you're able to put it up, elakdawalla?
12:11 badd53: See ya'll next time
12:11 elakdawalla: @SpaceOtter assuredly it will be on our homepage
and also on our Facebook page
12:11 SpaceOtter: will it be on planetary soc. website?
12:11 hellotitan: time for supper, good night all! :-h
12:11 SpaceOtter: tweet it please =)
12:11 KStu: see ya, titan
12:11 hellotitan: u 2 KStu
12:11 elakdawalla: Indeed I'll tweet away
12:11 SpaceOtter: thanks again ;) this was great
12:11 elakdawalla: I would be curious to hear what topics you guys
would like to see addressed on future casts
12:11 DavidMyers: Yes thank you. Keep up the struggle.
12:12 SpaceOtter: ways we can help convince people science is cool
and worth funding, elakdawalla. the more examples the better.
12:12 KStu: everyone, remember you can find the latest space new on
Emily's Planetary Society blog.
12:12 ajsinco: Topics for future: What can PS do to really make a difference?
Increase membership dramatically = more resources.
12:12 KStu: space news
12:12 rajpanik: Thank you!
12:13 ajsinco: Membership level has been low and constant for many
years, right? Without leverage, this is all just daydreaming.
12:13 SpaceOtter: ...good rebuttles to "i don't care about science,
it doesn't affect me"
12:13 elakdawalla: @ajsinco no, membership is lower than in the past
but we are still by a long shot the largest space interest group on Earth
12:13 skizior: Romeoville Illinois
12:13 ajsinco: Yeah, do I recall right "just" 6000 people or so?
12:13 ajsinco: One in a million?
12:14 KStu: I gotta go too... g'nite all.
12:14 elakdawalla: You're off by an order of magnitude
12:14 Archivist01: I think that having contests for out reach for PS
and possible science proposals to NASA are a good topic.
12:14 elakdawalla: By KStu and thank you so much
12:14 KStu: happy to help.
12:14 Archivist01: ty for the show ... bye :)
12:15 ajsinco: OK -- good news -- still, I'm tired of silently assuming
space goals require capricious and unreliable government (tax-based) methods...
12:15 elakdawalla: Thanks to everyone, I have to pack up now.
12:15 SpaceOtter: goodbye all, keep looking up
12:15 elakdawalla: I hope to "see" you all again soon. Meanwhile,
Join The Planetary Society, and subscribe to Planetary Radio podcast and
to my Twitter feed at @elakdawalla
12:15 ajsinco: We here all know the big picture, the risks and rewards,
but in today's crowded, noisy, ADD world, it's just one throw-away effort
after another...
12:15 Lindsaylb: Wil be looking for the archive of this on the Planetary
blog. Thanks for putting this on. Bye
12:15 ajsinco: Except for the amazing robotic probes of course...
12:16 elakdawalla: So long all
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