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Phobos-Grunt status, launch plus six days

Nov. 14, 2011 | 17:37 PST | Nov. 15 01:37 UTC
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I said I wasn't going to post again unless the spacecraft talked to us, but I changed my mind because finally there were official comments today about the status of the mission from Roskosmos head Vladimir Popovkin. There was a press briefing about the successful launch of the Soyuz with three astronauts to the Space Station -- which is a story in itself -- but naturally most of the media's questions had to do with Phobos-Grunt.

Here is the text of the statement, translated by reader Dmitry Kulshitsky, for whose help I'm immensely grateful!

The spacecraft Phobos-Grunt will have time through January, said the Head of Roskosmos Vladimir Popovkin today.

"We have time till January inclusive, the spacecraft will stay in orbit, but the Mars departure window closes in early December," said the Head of Roskosmos Vladimir Popovkin today.

"There is still a chance, but we were not able to receive any telemetry yet to understand what happened. The problem is that tracking stations are slow [that is, they cannot turn fast enough to track a fast-moving spacecraft on a low-Earth orbit] and Phobos-Grunt is on an unplanned trajectory, hence the communication session lasts for only 7 minutes."

"All systems of the spacecraft work nominally, it maintains its orientation toward the Sun, so it's not over yet. At the moment engineers conduct attempts to upload software."

Answering journalists' questions regarding when it would be possible with a high degree of certainty to talk about the "spacecraft death", he said that "it would be possible to talk about this in early December when the window for departure to Mars is closed." "We can start the end of 'Phobos' predictions when the orbit degrades to 180 kilometers," added Vladimir Popovkin.

The Head of Roskosmos has also rejected rumours that the spacecraft has design flaws in its construction. He reassured that "This version does not match reality."

He has also highlighted the fact that the possible fall of 'Phobos' to the ground does not present any danger to Earth. "There is no doubt that the spacecraft will explode upon the re-entry as it approaches denser layers of the atmosphere," said Popovkin.
For more on the challenges of tracking Phobos-Grunt from Russian ground stations, read Anatoly Zak's page about that. The spacecraft's fast orbital speed results in two big challenges for the engineers trying to save the mission. First, the deep-space antennas are just not designed to track fast enough to follow a spacecraft in a low-Earth orbit. Also, the fast, low orbit results in very short passes. Even if they could track it, it's hard to acquire the signal, uplink commands, and receive downlink in the very little time available.

There are a couple of notable things about Popovkin's remarks. For one thing, he said the spacecraft can stay in orbit through January at least, and that they have until early December to get the spacecraft off to Mars. Both of those timescales are longer than ones previously stated by unnamed "experts" in media stories. He officially confirmed that the spacecraft is maintaining its sun-pointing, which can be observed by using Earth-based telescopes. More curious is his statement that "all systems work nominally." Yet they have not received any telemetry from the spacecraft. It is hard to understand how they can be certain of "nominal" operation without any telemetry from the spacecraft.

There was a flurry of news stories following his statements today, and some of them provide a little additional detail and context. RIA Novosti now has a nice index page to all of their Phobos-Grunt coverage. This RIA Novosti story expands on the radio tracking issues:
Popovkin told reporters why it is difficult to control the device. According to him, the problem is that "there is a range of all domestic stations were previously used for deep space exploration." Now the "Phobos-soil" flies on a contingency trajectory at an altitude of 200 kilometers from the Earth, and the communication with each of the measurement points does not exceed two minutes, said the head of Russian Federal Space Agency.

He also said that authorities are trying to specialists, in particular, to accelerate the turning mechanism unit. In addition, the station was supposed to start working when it would be several tens of thousands of miles from Earth, and transmitter power was set so that the signal reached there, said Popovkin. According to him, experts feared that at close range it will burn too strong signal hardware probe.
So, in addition to the challenges I outlined above, their radio stations may be having a hard time broadcasting quietly enough not to harm the spacecraft. (The radio signal can't literally "burn" the spacecraft, but it seems conceivable that a radio receiver designed to listen for very faint radio signals from millions of kilometers away might be harmed by the loudness of the same signals sent from very short range.)

Here's another interesting remark:
Roscosmos head Vladimir Popovkin denied information on their existing spacecraft "Phobos-Grunt" design flaws that may prevent the establishment of contact with it.

Earlier media reports that the device has a design flaw: one of its antennas pointing towards the ground, the other grayed [blocked by?] tank with fuel and propulsion system.

"I'm from you first hear it," - said Popovkin told reporters. He noted that currently the Russian Space Agency experts are trying to establish control over the "Phobos-Grunt."
This is referring to discussion taking place on many forums suggesting that the radio antenna that the spacecraft's controllers are trying so hard to talk to is blocked by the jettisonable fuel tank of the modified Fregat upper stage rocket engine.

Speaking of forum discussions, they've started a new thread at nasaspaceflight.com to follow the continuing Phobos-Grunt saga. That and Russianspaceweb remain the best English-language places to find news.

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Comments

ISS and Phobos-Grunt
In being not very knowledgeable of this, anything by way of ISS communications or observstions when their orbital paths cross?
#1 - Chet Twarog - 11/14/2011 - 18:35
C'mon Phobos-Grunt
If Jaxa can bring back Hayabusa surely Russia can nudge P-G hard enough to awaken it :)
#2 - Mantiss1969 - 11/14/2011 - 18:38
Phobos-Grunt and the ISS
Ok, went to the Russianspaceweb and read this last para: "In the meantime, the space station crew reported that all attempts to photograph the Phobos-Grunt spacecraft in orbit were unsuccessful, due to a very long distance between two vehicles, said cosmonaut Sergei Volkov, who tried to take a picture. Even during a relatively close rendezvous, the separation between the outpost and the probe was 120-150 kilometers."
#3 - Chet Twarog - 11/14/2011 - 18:45
Another issue with deep-space antennas
DSN receivers also have a problem with Doppler shifts - it's hard for them to cope with rapid changes in velocity. Maybe they need to get help from a more conventional ground station, if that's possible.
#4 - ToSeek - 11/15/2011 - 07:23
DSN issue clarification
Previous comment should have said "relative velocity": obviously the spacecraft's speed is nearly constant, but it varies significantly relative to the antenna from when it's rising and approaching the antenna versus setting and heading away from the antenna.
#5 - ToSeek - 11/15/2011 - 07:25
Hams to the rescue?
Perhaps the creative Amateur Radio Community could assist with makeshift spacecraft communication from the ground?
#6 - Just me - 11/15/2011 - 08:29
Jim Oberg - 11/15/2011 - 05:31 // Can somebody with interplanetary navigation and targeting experience comment on the effect of the parking orbit's shifting day by day [about 6 degrees per day], out of proper alignment for the trans-Mars burn, and what that implies for the REAL chance of re-starting this mission? This has nothing to do with the 'launch window' based on Earth-Mars relative orbital positions.
#7 - Jim Oberg - 11/16/2011 - 04:19
Release the Hams! They'll get in touch with Phobos-Grunt!
#8 - unibrow - 11/16/2011 - 07:17
Quick! Somebody tell the Hams what to say.
I have no doubt that more than several plywood and tinfoil phased arrays are being constructed on barn-doors as we speak, so It seems they might soon be needing some passwords and command files, etc. released to the hams. This will probably be the hardest part, so good luck. Lets Go Phobos!
#9 - Christopher Green, wa2rjo, NYC - 11/17/2011 - 00:09
Re: Interplanetary Navigation
Jim,

I'm no professional but I believe if the change isn't _too_ significant, they can compensate for the shifted parking orbit by modifying the eject burn and MCCs. As long as they get fairly close to the intended cruise trajectory, I think they can still make just about whatever approach to mars they want (setting up the approach when far away from the planet is relatively cheap).
#10 - Carson Myers - 11/18/2011 - 22:16
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